Workers affected by the NYC mandates talk about the City Council committee hearing on Resolution 5, supporting reinstatement. Plus comments from Council Member Joann Ariola and more hearing coverage.
What's crazy is that the lawyers are trying to fight whether Jacobson applies.... But Jacobson never justified restrictions from work and school.... Just a FINE!
It boggles my mind why this hasn't been argued.
Jacobson is the case that they use to justify bullshit but it only allowed a fine.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this big hole should be used instead of arguing whether a shot is effective or not 🙄.
So then, even if Jacobson applies to some super safe shot, only a fine is imposed for not taking it... Just like the original case said!
However, I have a different point of view on whether it's a good idea to push for fines as an alternative to going through schools, employers, etc. The Jacobson fine was $5 in 1905 money. In 2019, NYC imposed an MMR vaccine mandate on everyone living in certain ZIP codes in Brooklyn and fined violators $1,000. Legal challenges to that mandate failed. I imagine fines could be higher and accrue interest or fees too.
I actually think it's likely that once the state and national health data infrastructure is complete (within a few years), vaccination requirements will be issued to every individual directly from health departments, with fines and restrictions imposed automatically. This is a topic I've been covering in depth in my "Rising Public Health Leviathan" series, which I'll be continuing soon.
Awesome job guys and gal! While the fight continues, understand good will win🙏
What's crazy is that the lawyers are trying to fight whether Jacobson applies.... But Jacobson never justified restrictions from work and school.... Just a FINE!
It boggles my mind why this hasn't been argued.
Jacobson is the case that they use to justify bullshit but it only allowed a fine.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this big hole should be used instead of arguing whether a shot is effective or not 🙄.
So then, even if Jacobson applies to some super safe shot, only a fine is imposed for not taking it... Just like the original case said!
You're of course correct about Jacobson just requiring a fine.
(For people who want more details on this, Sujata Gibson discussed Jacobson a bit in episode 6 of the podcast, and you can see the case here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts).
However, I have a different point of view on whether it's a good idea to push for fines as an alternative to going through schools, employers, etc. The Jacobson fine was $5 in 1905 money. In 2019, NYC imposed an MMR vaccine mandate on everyone living in certain ZIP codes in Brooklyn and fined violators $1,000. Legal challenges to that mandate failed. I imagine fines could be higher and accrue interest or fees too.
I actually think it's likely that once the state and national health data infrastructure is complete (within a few years), vaccination requirements will be issued to every individual directly from health departments, with fines and restrictions imposed automatically. This is a topic I've been covering in depth in my "Rising Public Health Leviathan" series, which I'll be continuing soon.